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Greenville Transition's David McNease: Recovery Pioneer
When David McNeese sought treatment for his own substance use in 2012, he had no idea it would lead him to pioneer an innovative recovery program that challenges traditional approaches. What began as a passion project with no financial backing—literally living in the basement of their first recovery house—has evolved into a sophisticated clinical program incorporating adventure therapy, martial arts, and holistic approaches alongside traditional therapeutic support.
David and his team blend Brazilian jiu-jitsu, hiking, rock climbing and other physical activities with clinical work, creating powerful metaphors for recovery. The conversation delves into how recovery programs must evolve to meet changing needs, offering multiple pathways beyond traditional 12-step approaches. David's philosophy embraces personalization and flexibility.
For anyone interested in innovative approaches to recovery, supporting young adults through life transformation, or understanding how experiential therapy creates lasting change, this episode offers authentic insights from someone who's built a program from the ground up.
Hello folks, thanks again for joining us on Head Inside Mental Health, featuring conversations about mental health and substance use treatment, with experts from across the country sharing their thoughts and insights on the world of behavioral health care, broadcasting on WPBM 1037, the voice of Asheville independent commercial free radio. I'm Todd Weatherly, your host, therapeutic consultant and behavioral health expert me today. It took me a while to get him, but I am happy to have a longtime friend, recovery advocate, recovery professional, david McNeese. David is the executive director of Greenville Transitions, a supported sober living program that provides recovery and peer support services including individual and family therapy, case management, medication management, adventure therapy, and also has a partial hospitalization program and an intensive outpatient program for young adult men. They serve there in Greenville, south Carolina. David's been in recovery since 2012. Did I get that right, dave? Yeah, when he first sought treatment for himself as a young adult, I met David a decade ago now. Can you believe that?
Speaker 2:It's a while.
Speaker 1:It's a while Working as a house manager for the recovery program we had at Four Circles. The Four Circles was a treatment center and had a men's recovery program or transition program as well as a women's, and David was the house manager there for a little while. He had to put up with me as his boss for a minute, but since then he has become a pioneer in the recovery field as both founder and executive director, ceo of his program there in Greenville. Now for eight years I've been working with Greensville Transitions and growing that team there and building the program. I remember when you started out and you were, you know it was just as you found this home in Greenville and you started what was was kind of a basic sober home and then and then there was like well, you know, we want some clinical in for our guys. So you started partnering with people and doing the IOP thing and you're like you know what? I think we can do this better than they can actually. And you know, as the years went by, you know an IOP turned into a PHP, a partial hospitalization program. So you know, for a guy who started off as a house manager and more or less fresh out of recovery, turning it around into one of the more clinically sophisticated sober programs that we have in the Southeast. I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Like you know, tell me about that journey. Man. Like just you know, you and I have known each other a while. I mean I think we've touched on it at times. But I've met your staff and I've been able to hang out with you guys and we've worked together with some clients and everything else. But like I've never gotten the point by point journey as you saw it from your perspective. Like I kind of know what caused you to open the place. But what's this journey been like for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and there's a lot to unpack there, so I'll try to get a streamlined version, and first I just want to thank you for having me on, and it's awesome to be here and talking with you, someone that I respect and know from the community and I've worked with in the past, so thanks again, it's great to have you, absolutely Great to have you.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, to go into Greenville Transitions. How it got started, you know how it started was a guy struggling with addiction and substance use disorder and people helping him through that, and then me wanting to turn around and give back and say, hey, you know what? I think that I could be good at doing this and helping others through this hard part of life if they've entered it. So I'd like to try my hand at it and I would like to bring in the name of my business partner, lucas Coleman-Socia, who's our COO.
Speaker 2:A lot of this was a dual journey where he took his experience. I took my experience from getting sober at a young age, combining those and trying to build what we thought could be the best program for a young adult male entering into a lifestyle of recovery. Right, um, and and man, when we started it was like the wild west. I mean, many, many people don't know the the very beginning. Um, and I think when a lot of programs start, they have a lot of money backing them or they have investors come in and help them build out a program and build out the facilities, whereas when lucas and I started it was, you know, we were so passionate, and still are to this day, but so passionate about helping others. As far as, like the financial plan went, we didn't really have one, so it was like, hey, let's just rent this house, we'll fill it with furniture. We'll fill it with, like, pool table, ping pong table, make it fun.
Speaker 2:We'll actually live in the basement of it and then we'll have clients upstairs and we can help them out through their day to day. We'll have therapy on the side. We'll try to contract with people in the community. So that's I mean it started very, very bare bones and low overhead because, yeah, well, I think I did.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure I came down and visited you at the house before you opened, before you had guys there. You had like one guy or something like right right after you bought it and I ran down there and and took a look at the place and everything else and and you guys were. You know, I think that there are lots of people out there starting, you know, these kinds of endeavors. You see sober homes all over the country, of course, and I think you know there are some guys who kind of do it and they they want to manage from afar, um, and that doesn't always work.
Speaker 1:You know, unless you've got, like you say, the backers and you can hire staff and you do all those things. That's one version of this, but the other version is a person who's passionate about recovery and passionate about helping others and giving back, and they, you know, like we're just going to make this our life. You know we're going to live here, we're going to invest our lives into what this is and to watch something like that grow that's. I think that places, when they come about, when they come about, their origin story has a lot to do with how their character is as they grow, as they age and get older and as they serve other people. Something that I know about the guys that you're working with and the people that you've got them being served by is that everybody's incredibly passionate about what's going on there. There's not a single person there that's not 100% down on figuring out how this person can find recovery for themselves, and that's been just a really great thing to see.
Speaker 1:But I know that you hit this point where you're like okay, I want to do more than just you know. Like you said, there's some therapy there. And then you're like well, wait a minute, maybe we to do more than just you know, you, like you said, there's some little therapy there, and then you're like well, wait a minute, maybe we want to do more. Like you're doing so much more than just therapy now, like we're tell me about the little markers that cause you to to notch up every time, like what happened when you to get to the place where you are now php, iop and all all the trimmings yeah, um, honestly, I think one of the biggest pushers for it was logistics.
Speaker 2:You know when you're contracting out groups intensive outpatient groups and individual therapy you know we had to tend to those contractors schedules and we're on their time now and it can make it hard to do when now you have eight guys in a house. You have limited transportation or limited staff to take them places and three different contractors to get them to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now they're getting jobs on the side or this guy's getting into school part-time, and so that big attributing factor was just, logistically, how can we make this easier on ourselves? But then we started to think through again what is the best thing for the guy? And we've never been a program that believes in sitting a young guy down in a room for six hours a day and saying, hey, let's talk about your feelings. They're pulling their hair out by the end of the session and, quite frankly, all of our therapists are too right. Um, that's a tough thing to do. So we we also wanted to incorporate like, let's get active during these sessions. Let's like go over to the UFC gym and do a Brazilian jujitsu class or a Muay Thai class. Let's go on a hike in Paris mountain. Uh, let's go to the park and play some pickleball and then start to piece the therapy around that so it breaks it up, keeps their bodies moving, their brain moving, and we just had way more success with that than just sitting in a like having that classroom setting.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 1:So how does that inform? How you do? You know for and I've talked about this on the show but for anybody who's listening you know php is a partial hospitalization. We we know that means more or less five days a week. Everybody does their day a little differently, but at least three hours, sometimes it's five, sometimes it's all day, depending on the program iop and php. There the difference is IOP does three days instead of five and you know, if I was to kind of go poke at the kind of run-of-the-mill PHP, IOP, you know they're stacking a bunch of people in a room probably more than they should and cycling through content that you know.
Speaker 1:If you catch guys who are in kind of repeat recovery kinds of cycles, you know they've relapsed and they're going back through it. They go back through PHP and IOP and it's just all. It's all the same thing, which I know is not true for your programming. What is it that? What is it you do to spice up the, that clinical environment? You need some hours. Licensure says you have to have some hours in a classroom with somebody who's licensed, a therapist or somebody else that is going to provide this content. Like, how are you? What is that clinical environment and that that you know therapeutic education piece look like for you guys, incorporating the stuff you know, adventure and body movement and everything else. Like, how are you mixing it up down there, putting those together?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, just by doing like the therapists are involved in some of those activities, so it. And then, as long as they come back and process the activity together and the therapist was there with them during it and then processing it afterward, it counts as PHP or IOP hours. And you touched on a good point is that there are regulations and guidelines that we have to follow in the state of South Carolina, and I think it's even different in North Carolina, but South Carolina PHP is a minimum of six hours a day, five days a week and, if I'm not mistaking, in North Carolina it's five hours. It's five hours. Yeah, so it's six hours here. And an argument I would say for another day with you is like, who's making these regulations?
Speaker 2:It's even the best thing, like we can make that argument now, yeah, do we need to sit down and run through, just like. Yeah, do we need to sit down and run through just like workbooks for six hours a day. Like you know, is the young guy again, I know, right, like this dry material, and you've already, you know, have someone in there who's maybe struggling with ADHD and like sitting still is just not the thing to do in early recovery.
Speaker 1:These guys have struggled in academic environments already and you're putting them back into this scenario right, yeah, and it's like setting them up for failure in our eyes.
Speaker 2:So that's where we made a point to take this holistic approach where we're not only looking at just the therapy but we're looking at the diet, we're looking at exercise and how you're moving your body, we're looking at how you're sleeping, and if you just adjust those things, it's amazing how much different someone can present if you change their diet, their exercise and their sleep oh yeah yeah, I mean but then to intertwine the, the therapeutic component, with an active component.
Speaker 2:I I mean it's just made it so much better for us and we get better attention throughout the day and better conversations are happening. And I think another reason we're able to do that is because we've continued to be a smaller program. We're not a volume-based program. That's pumping, you know. When you throw 40 people into a group you kind of have to rush through things and have a like a give everyone a worksheet and everyone gets five minutes to touch on their worksheet and then group is over and you didn't really do a deep dive into anything.
Speaker 1:But you spent your hour right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you took up those hour. But you spent your hour right. Yeah, but you took up those hour two or three hours for the group. So that's another thing that's just really important to us is like keeping it small enough to where we can really dive deep on what are the core issues that we need to work on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, making it personal for them. Now tell me a little bit about what a day looks like, because I'm curious about this. As a programming geek, as you know, I like to get into the nitty-gritty of stuff. But let's take PHP. What does a six-hour day for you guys look like?
Speaker 1:Because some of the other conversations around wilderness programs and experiential therapies and other kinds of things like this, you know there's this big argument when you're running into licensure, it's like, well, you know, we don't pay for, we don't pay for wilderness therapy because it doesn't place take place in a licensed facility, right? Um, and you know there are a lot of arguments that are out there being made, including an attorney that I got to have on the show, jordan Lewis, and he won a case about equine therapy. They were going to turn down equine therapy and coverage for that. It's like, hey, equine therapy is a viable therapy. They did it on site. It doesn't matter whether they used horses or not.
Speaker 1:A licensed therapist is using a medium that they're trained in to provide a therapeutic hour and you need to pay for that. And they won the case. So like, kind of like not worrying about if we stop trying to make a case for why it's good to do this therapy in this location or in this environment and the fact is like I've got a licensed therapist. They're providing therapy where they do it and how they do it is up to them and their profession. Like insurance companies, don't get to say whether or not they can use a horse or a bike or be outside or any of those other things Like. So do you mix up the PHP environment? Are they spending five hours in a classroom with a lunch break, or whatever six hours with a lunch break in the middle, or are you chopping it up throughout the day with stuff that's active, with going outside and things like that.
Speaker 2:How does that work? Yeah, so chopping it up throughout the day, where there's typically like some sort of activity in the morning groups, where they chop it up, break it up, then come back to the office and then there's some sort of activity after lunch. Right, but to break it up a little bit, whether that's jujitsu, muay Thai, weightlifting, but something to get their blood pumping, yeah, not to have the uh after lunch doldrums.
Speaker 1:Now, of course, being you know a guy who's could also nerd out on experiential um stuff. What is the what is an? What is an activity you're incorporating into the day? Who could also nerd out on experiential stuff? What is an activity you're incorporating into the day that turns into a processing opportunity when they get back into a group environment or even an individual therapy environment? What activities do you find to be the merry best, becoming kind of this grist for the mill content? What activity does the best job of giving you stuff that the guys process later on and seem to get the most value out of Like what? What activity or activities are you finding really work?
Speaker 2:Um, I mean, my favorite stories come out of Brazilian jujitsu. Really, yeah Cause.
Speaker 2:I I mean that can be intimidating, yeah, for a new guy to even hear that like, oh, I'm gonna have to go into a ring and they may. You know, I think initially our mind can go to a place of I'm gonna get beat up. You know I can get physically harmed in here, but it's. You know, it's often bag work or working with coaches that really know what they're doing and they're helping you through it. But another thing about jujitsu is this like constantly facing, like you're having to, it's confrontation, up front confrontation, you know. And they say in jujitsu, instead of like trying to step away from your, your opponent, where you can get hit, you step into them where and don't let them have space. And that's where you start to grapple and um, and there's a good book called transforming trauma with jujitsu.
Speaker 1:Got it right back here on my shelf yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's an awesome book that that just kind of teaches that skill and I'm going to break it down to the baseline here of just um, if you're, it's training that fight or flight response of hey, it's okay for me to have this feeling and lean into it versus you know, go use substances because of it, right, and jujitsu is just like constantly hitting on that, that fight or flight response and training you to like, hey, embrace it, it's okay.
Speaker 2:Get into it, embrace it. But we've had guys like like our clinical director, rolling with a guy and he you know they were like locked up in a move and he tapped the clinical director like let me go, I'm tapping out. And the director was like come on, man, I don't have you in any kind of hold that would harm you. I'm not pressing your chest down, Right, it's not painful, it's not going to pass you out or anything, but try a little harder. And he rolled for two seconds and got mad and tapped again and the director was like come on, man, you got this. And eventually the guy tapped and pulled, just jerked out of it. He was really upset and the clinical director was like man, what happened there?
Speaker 2:There's a trend where we've been quitting things our whole life. We quit school, we quit on our relationships, we quit on mom and dad's conversations. Just as soon as it got hard, right, yeah, as soon as you start to feel any like yeah, getting hard, you quit. And this is what we need to work on. And the guy just started crying and, you know, broke into a great process group. Uh, for the other guys, it gave them the opportunity to step in and talk about their experiences with quitting. So I'd say some of the coolest stories come out of the mixed martial arts.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool. Yeah, you know, in martial arts myself I've been off and on for most of the years of my life, even as a young kid, and do kung fu locally. And you know, one of the things that I've always noticed about being in any studio where martial arts is being practiced and taught is there's always a few guys there that if they didn't have martial arts I don't know where they'd be. You know what I mean. If they didn't have this as a release mechanism, as something that kind of lived inside of them, they might not have the resources necessary to deal with the world, because they were. They were always on edge, but it gave them a place of calm, it played them a place that they had a practice you know what I mean. Like they had, they had this thing, that was a practice of theirs that they clearly applied to other aspects of their life, even if it wasn't fighting, you know, applied to their job, or they applied to their relationships, or they applied to their relationships or they applied to anything else.
Speaker 1:And I mean, I think that's a concept that you run into when you do martial arts. It's like these concepts work across support. It's like you're going to face a challenge. You're going to face something that feels like resistance and you have to kind of work a little harder to break through it. It's like how are you going to meet that? What's in you to try and meet that? You'll confront yourself fairly quickly. Despite the fact that you might be fighting with an opponent, the person that you're confronting is often yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's really cool, man. Well, are you finding that the guys, now that you've been doing this a little while, are they? Are they sticking with it? Are they sticking with jiu-jitsu? Are they picking it up to practice elsewhere? Or?
Speaker 2:transitioning into the.
Speaker 1:You're seeing guys that are alumni coming back around and taking classes. How does that work?
Speaker 2:yeah, some do. I mean I'm going to be honest, it might be 30 or 40 percent that do um and who knows, maybe maybe later in life they'll pick it back up. But you know, maybe 30 or 40% in the last three to four years have come back around to like, keep it as a hobby of theirs. But you know, that's just one of the activities we're introducing them to. We also do like rock climbing and pickleball, and some of those guys just choose to go a different path, right?
Speaker 1:But that's available to them. If they don't feel comfortable with this expression, they can move themselves over to something else. They've got some variety Now. The other thing I want to talk to you about, because you know the something that we run into is you know, working with people and finding programs for them to land in is is the orientation with 12 step.
Speaker 1:I'm not trying to say there's anything wrong, but I know that you guys are are pretty versatile in your messaging. You know you've got you've got real capabilities of like let's explore, let's see. Okay, you know, maybe you're not surrendering to a higher power. Let's explore this as a concept, though you know that there's this conversation that can live with a person who might not have an immediate alignment. 12 step how is it that you like, do you are you, do you find resistance out in the recovery community for the way that you do some of that? Talk a little bit about your method around it and talk about what you see in comparison to others that are more stringent or more hard-nosed about it, or what have you? What does that look like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so for us we look at Greenville Transitions as two separate entities. There's Greenville Transitions, which is the sober living, and then there's the Greenville Transitions Recovery Center, which is like our clinical side, and on the clinical side I think that our job there is to introduce as many pathways as we can to recovery, whether that be, you know, smart refuge. There's all different pathways you can take into recovery and we want you to like see them all. Take what works for you and leave behind what doesn't, with there being a little direction in there, because we don't always make the best choices on what's good for us in early recovery and what's unhealthy.
Speaker 1:It's like you've got some alignment to this method that we've introduced you to. Now I need you to invest and complete. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly, I need you to finish complete.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean Like exactly Need you to finish and so, and then on the housing side, we are a little more 12 step focused and you can get 12 steps and different programs and we don't care which program you choose to get those. My argument there is like I think working through the 12 steps can benefit anyone. I think if my mom went through the 12 steps that she would get something positive out of it. And I don't care if it's one thing, I don't care if you go through a million things and only pick out one that you think is positive. That's a win for me. So that's kind of been my our outlook on that for the house, like are you running into other members of the recovery community?
Speaker 1:They're like I don't know about that, like, do you find any resistance out there? Because I think that we're kind of coming, we're, we're walking into a world where we all of our models, all of our understanding about how recovery works and mental and mental health is treated and so on and so forth they're expanding because we get these new generations of people that are going through recovery and they're not. You know, they're not what you were as a young adult and they're not what I was as a young adult. You know their, their experience has been completely different. Heck, half of them have coded as part of their story. You know that was traumatizing for them. Like, what do you, what are you? What are you running into in the rest of the community?
Speaker 1:and and how are you, how are you navigating some of that? Because that community can be a little funny about those things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean we haven't been getting a whole lot of pushback from, like, our local community. But of course you know when it's someone coming in to start groups or whether it's our evening IOP or coming into our housing and starting PHP, we'll get a person here and there that gives a little pushback.
Speaker 1:And this is not the way I did it Right. What's that? This is not the way I did it, or this is not the way I think it's supposed to be done?
Speaker 2:Yes, and my argument would be well, why not try it? Why not give it a try and let's see if, like I said, that one positive thing can come out of it, even if it's one, and then you have all of these others to choose from and all of these other avenues you can take. But you're right that the game is changing a lot and you know it's our job as professionals to try to like stay on top of it and try to offer the best product that you can and what you really think is going to help someone at the end of the day. That being said, I think it's also nice to have different options of different styles, like the Greenville transition style isn't going to work for everyone and I'm like I'm fine with that. You know there are a lot of other programs out there that do things differently, so it's about finding the program that works best for your style.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there is no one size fits all.
Speaker 2:Basically, I mean I could agree with that more.
Speaker 2:I want to touch on that, like when we built this program I mean, lucas and I were heavily involved, or we were the only ones involved in the beginning as we're creating this program and nothing else was in our mind as we're creating it other than like, how can we create the best program to support essentially us like another young, early or late teens, early twenties, um, mid twenties, late twenties guy who's trying to change their life and start a lifestyle of recovery?
Speaker 2:What would that look like? And we didn't even factor in like price and what what these things would cost to have UFC gym memberships and rock climbing gym memberships and let's provide their groceries instead of let them get their groceries and then fight over groceries. If we provide them, it takes. So we thought through all of these things like in very great detail to pick out, like based on our personal experiences, what we think is what really helps someone. But my personal experience, my recovery experience, isn't going to align perfectly with every other person out there and I have to be okay with that at the end of the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely Well. I mean, I think that there's some. You know. What you're touching on is that there need to be some core basics and then philosophically, you can. You might be able to move in directions that are differentiating here or there, but guys are taken care of, the house is run well, the potential for conflict is managed In a supported living environment. I don't think people think about it, but it's one of the, it's one of the greatest challenges you face all the time is like guys having conflict with one another, and they will. They will have conflicts over anything.
Speaker 1:They'll mess with each other's stuff. They'll, you know, they'll borrow somebody's front seat, right. They'll borrow somebody else's clothes and you know, they'll steal somebody's special thing out of the refrigerator, like the whole all of it, anything that can happen. They'll find, um, and sometimes because they're just testing the limits, right, but um, and I think the other pieces, many of them are looking for a place to, to find it being validated that they don't belong here. See, I can't get along with any of these guys or whatever, you know they're fine. They're looking for a place to find it being validated that they don't belong here. See, I can't get along with any of these guys, or whatever. They're testing the limits and there's, I think, the self-consciousness piece, the self-efficacy piece that they struggle with so much, even at that stage of recovery.
Speaker 1:They've been through treatment, they've been through a lot of clinical. They get to you and they're still wanting in here. It's like I don't belong in the world and I don't get along with anybody and I don't fit, and all these other messages that they're saying to themselves and they try to. They try to validate that message somewhere in their environment, you know, and they'll make you into dad and they'll make the you know the female therapist into mom and they'll make the you know the female therapist into mom and they'll project till the cows come home and everything else, and it's really a like a. It's really a. It's a human psychology management environment is what it becomes. Yeah, drama triangle, insert drama triangle exactly. And of course you know, if they don't have that, if they don't do that stuff, then then you know you don't get to yank out, pull out the mirror and make sure that they are, you know, like, hey, here's this mirror, I wonder if you'd be willing to take a look at it. I wonder if that's something that we should work on and that really becomes, you know, the.
Speaker 1:The other experiential thing that's going on is that living environment. Right, yeah, they're coming out and going. Now these are my conflicts and that's the same conflict I had with the last guy and that's the conflict I had with my dad and that's the conflict I had when I was at college and everything else. Like, they just find it replicated in their life and it'll keep giving them opportunities to face it. It'll in their life and it'll keep giving them opportunities to face it. It'll keep showing up if they don't work with it and figure out a way to get around it and put it in a good place in their life. But the other thing I wanted to ask before we get done, david, is with regard to your clinical environment and your sober living environment, is the clinical environment available only to the sober living guys? Are you also providing that now to the Greenville community? You have outside folks coming into your, your, your PHP and IOP.
Speaker 2:We do offer services to the community as well. So all of our daytime programming is for our housing and the younger guys that are in that population. And then in the evenings we have and it's like a standard evening or professionals IOP it's Monday, tuesday, thursday nights from six to 9 PM.
Speaker 1:That's more of our professionals group, where we help just the local community here, local community that's in recovery but staying home and needs a place to to do their work.
Speaker 2:Maybe they have a family, or maybe they don't have the luxury of just taking a big break in life and going inpatient somewhere. So they have a job that they have to, you know, keep earning a check out, or a family that they need to tend to kids. So that's been a good resource here.
Speaker 1:Well, that's awesome. As you know, I'm a big supporter of your the work you guys are doing down there and, um, I hope that we'll be working again soon with one of our folks that'll come down your way but and I hope to get to see you guys here pretty soon. You're not that far away. We're way down to Greenville and we'll do a little swamp rabbit time, you know. So, um, david, it's been great to have you on the show. This has been, uh, head inside mental health with todd weatherly. David bignese, ceo and executive director of greenville transition, has been my guest. Uh, we'll look forward to being with you folks next time.
Speaker 2:Take care, david. Thanks for having me. I found you in this way. I did it this way. I found you in this way. I did it this way. I found you in this way. I did it this way. I found you in this way. I found you in this way. I did it this way. I found you in this way. I found you in this way. I found you in this way.
Speaker 1:I did it this way. I found you in this way, thank you, I need to find my way home. Bye, I need to find my way home. I feel so lonely and lost in here. I need to find my way home. Find my way home.